Minutes of the SC/ PC-AP conference call Thursday, August 6
participants:
Izumi Aizu (APIA)
Mark McFadden (CIX)
June Portch (CIX)
Amadeu Abril i Abril (FCR)
John Wood (CSSA, CBI, ICC)
Javier Sola (EuroInternet)
Jay Fenello (ORSC)
Patrik Greenwell (ISP/C)
Tony Harris (CABASE)
Tamar Frankel (BU)
Ron Kawchuk (CAIP)
Andy Sernovitz (AIM)
Micky Barry (DNRC)
Jim Dixon (EuroISPA)
Margo Longford (CAIP)
Michael Schneider (EuroISPA)
Roberto Gaetano (ETSI)
Werner Staub (ISOC-Geneva)
Ken Stubbs (CORENIC)
Marty Burack (ISOC)
Mike Roberts (EDUCAUSE)
Siegfried Langenbach (EuroInternet)
Don Heath (ISOC)
Anne-Kathrin Orth (eco)
agenda:

1) AP-meeting
        a) logistics
        b) agenda
2) LA&C-meeting
3) wrap-up (meeting)

1a) Izumi is trying to get live audio recording for the conference, about 160 attendees are expected. As far as funding is concerned, Geneva is most likely still missing a few thousand and Reston has to date received few contributions, someone will be asking the associations again for support.

Ira Magaziner will not be attending, but he may be sending a video taped message that could be presented. All attempts to invite other regional governments besides the Australians have more or less failed as they tend to not to be pro-active and rather reluctant to get involved.

There will not be a podium but rather level ground for the discussions. Two floor mics and two wired ones have been organized so far, more might cause chaos. It was suggested to limit the time for which one person can speak to three or five minutes. It was also asked that BOFs be suggested.

b) There were concerns expressed at the suggestions of non-Asians/ Australians as moderators, as most others may be missing the cultural sensitivity needed. It was agreed that, if the Asians could live with it, this was not really an important issue for the informational part on the first day. It was clarified that, wherever two people are mentioned, the 2nd moderator could act as the reporter of the group. Nevertheless, only Ole Jacobson will be moderating on the first day; the other suggestions were agreed to, specifying that on the morning working group discussion of the third day, Ole would be moderating group E and Pindar group D.

There was a adjustment to the panel discussion of the first day: it will now include ISP/C, Iperdome and DNRC to give Business, ISPs and Alternatives a chance to express their view as well, though the official agenda will only state "panel with a variety of views". It was agreed not to open the panel to all, as opinions of individuals are not the topic and to prevent the discussion from drifting all too far into policy and structure issues. There will probably be an informational package laid out. The speeches will be limited to five minutes, with about the same time for questions to be posed.

The wording will be changed from "legal drafting" to "legal session" for the evening (not exclusive) lawyers meeting of day 2.

A discussion began whether or not to seperate the trademark and names issues in group E. It was finally decided to have them be run successively so that each side is confronted with the other's PoV.

There were several suggestions how to ensure that the working lunches would be productive by seperating likeminded people. First of all, people may be randomly assigned seats. The room may be devided into larger sections with different topics to each. Also, each table may be given a set of topics to discuss.

The moderators will still have time to work this problem out on the first evening, parallel to the BOFs.

To the last plenary on day three, it was agreed to spend very little time on "procedures" and more on the discussion about further meetings.

2) CABASE announced their attendance at the Singapore meeting as well. So far, there are about 30 attendants registered for the LA&C meeting, updated numbers will be forwarded by tomorrow. Foster hotels with good rates will be recommended and sent to the list. The facilitating hotel is the Continental close to CABASE, whose technical facilities can therefore also be used. There will probably be facilities for a video conference and computer logins as well. Simultaneous translations to English, Spanish and Portuguese will be offered. This will cost about $4000, the budget is set to approximately 15K which will probably be raised from within the region. The site was linked to the IFWP-webpage yesterday.

A proposal for a suitable agenda will be posted to the list after comparing it with the agendas of the other conferences, though suggestions are welcome. Possible moderators are Oscar Robles and Rosa Delgado; Amadeu and Roberto would prefer that an attempt be made to find more representatives from the region itself.

Again, the question of representativity was raised. To date, there will be attendance from Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina, possibly also from Panama, not counting the reps from other places of the globe. It was therefore again stated that the meeting should not be labelled informational, also taking into account that any concerns about "hi-jacking" may well be dismissed.

3) The very lengthy discussion on this point resulted in several things being made clear (please keep in mind that these are opinions).

* There are several issues that will not have been resolved by the end of the Buenos Aires meeting (the original plan to further develop the consensus' reached at previous meetings each time has been difficult to put into practice).

* Issues most likely unresolved will be funding and the names council.

* Any type of last/ final/ wrap-up/ compromise finding meeting will not and can not preclude the participants from having input, as it will remain an ongoing process.

* A goal of such a meeting may be to develop a skeletal plan that represents a compromise/ coherent solution all can agree to, with the possibility and opportunity given to go further by:

* The US-government expects more than just a proposal, as far as the SC was informed, it wants a corporation up and running, possibly but not ideally several, from which it would then choose.

* On the other hand, it was also stated that a proposal to extend the deadline of September 30th could be made if the prospects of incorporation by i.e. December 30th were good.

* If such a meeting is to be held, then rather sooner than later to avoid rushing the process by running out of time.

* It was decided to have a vote within the SC to see whether there is a majority for this ???-meeting.